IF YOU WANT Stranger Things spoilers, don’t ask Maya Hawke. “I’m of no use there,” the 24-year-old confidently says on Zoom, from a home her mother, Uma Thurman, rented in Sag Harbor, New York. “My character doesn’t have a ton of spoil-y story factors. I’m comedian aid.” Hawke — whose father is Ethan Hawke — performs Robin Buckley, the charming, closeted band geek who fends off monsters along with her sidekick Steve Harrington (Joe Keery). But when she’s not saving the city of Hawkins, Hawke can be a musician with a lush new folks album, Moss, out Sept. 23. “All I really need out of a file is permission to make one other one,” she says. “I simply need folks to love it sufficient.”
You’re releasing this album on the heels of the newest season of Stranger Things. Do you normally work at this fast tempo?
You’re speaking to somebody who was identical to [whiny voice], “I want a trip!” But I’ve a super-overactive mind. I’ve an anxious want to show myself that can by no means go away, so I at all times wish to be working tougher and doing greater than my perceived opponent that doesn’t exist.
Does that want to show your self come from the reality that you simply’re the daughter of two celebrities?
Maybe that’s half of it. I don’t know who I’d be if I used to be someone else. I really feel like the solely solution to deal with the nepotism factor — which undoubtedly offers you large benefits on this life — is, you’ll get probabilities at no cost, however the probabilities is not going to be infinite; so it’s important to hold working and do a very good job. If you do a nasty job, the probabilities will cease. That’s my ethos.
How do you cope with the haters who name you out for nepotism?
I don’t actually work together with both the haters or the complimenters very a lot. I really like this piece of recommendation I’ve gotten, which is that in the event you learn the good critiques, they’re partly true, and in the event you learn the dangerous issues that individuals say, they’re additionally partly true. You’re not God’s present to humanity, nor are you a bit soiled rubbish wrap. You’re neither and you’re each.
Do you see your self as a singer who acts, or an actor who sings?
I don’t love labels. But if I had to surrender one, I’d surrender singing. Acting is my biggest ardour, however that’s as a result of I’ve spent extra hours in my life learning it and doing it. I’ve at all times had an actual romantic concept about being glorious at one factor. I’m not glorious at appearing but, however I’m additional alongside the method of realizing it and understanding it rather well, each from a historic perspective and a working towards perspective. So as a result of I’m additional on my journey of realizing lots about it, I must choose that.
Before you titled this album, you wrote about moss on your earlier file on “River Like You”: “I tame the moss on the rocks.” What does the plant signify to you?
That’s so cool that you simply seen that. I undoubtedly am, like everybody, tremendous impressed by nature. Classically, a rolling stone gathers no moss, proper? I’ve at all times been confused about that metaphor and about whether or not or not that may be a good factor or a nasty factor. I feel that in the arts, being a rolling stone — at all times transferring, being a lone wolf — is de facto celebrated.
[But] I feel that my technology is completely different than the ones which have are available the previous. We celebration much less laborious. We’re far more occupied with nature walks and staying alive and saving the planet than we’re in staying up until 4 a.m. on some sort of bender. There’s a giant self-care emphasis. The pandemic introduced everybody to that place of being like, “Wow, I’m going to lose my thoughts and go loopy except I work out find out how to take care of myself whereas sitting nonetheless.” This was a pandemic file, and I referred to as [it] Moss as a result of it felt like emotions and feelings that have been gathered whereas sitting nonetheless.
Unlike your technology, although, you’re probably not into social media.
I don’t have a robust reference to it. I imply, am I in all probability on Instagram for an hour a day? Yeah. I’d be a liar to say anything. It’s an enormous half of our lives — an enormous revenue generator in the event you can construct a following, and an enormous connector to make mates and meet different people who find themselves such as you. So it’s inconceivable to dismiss it as a component of my life, however I undoubtedly don’t need it to be a much bigger half of my life than it’s. I’d adore it to be a smaller half. I don’t work together with strangers on it very a lot, in order that’s the half of it that I veer away from.
The album was partially labored on at Long Pond Studio. Are you a Swiftie?
I used to be an enormous fan of Folklore and Evermore, particularly “Cowboy Like Me,” which isn’t one of the singles. It’s my favourite observe on each of these data. That was the place I used to be like, “Whoever blended this music, I wish to have combine my music.” It was a gradual music, nevertheless it nonetheless had this drive ahead, and that’s the feeling that I needed.
John Low has been mass mixing my songs since “Blue Hippo,” and he was already in there mixing the first 12 songs we despatched him, and so it simply made sense to go to him to file the final two and to approve all the remaining mixes. That’s why we went there. It’s wonderful and the lake is beautiful, and it’s an exquisite place to file music.
You co-wrote a number of of these songs with Christian Lee Hutson. How did you begin working with him?
Christian’s mates with Ben [Lazar Davis], and so Ben acquired in contact and by some means I acquired fortunate sufficient that Christian had a while. It was immediate chemistry between the two of us. He wrote precisely what I heard in my head, however higher. His music is the music that I’d dream of making myself. He’s a superb particular person.
Marshall Vore engineered the album — one other collaborator of Phoebe Bridgers.
It all occurred tremendous by chance, however I’m an enormous fan and ended up very a lot in the Phoebe world of Christian and Marshall.
You shut the album with “Mermaid Bar.” Can you inform me the that means behind that music?
I’d had an concept to make a brand new mermaid folks story film story. Then I used to be like, “Eh, I’m in all probability by no means going to try this, so I’ll simply write it as a poem.” I’ve at all times been tremendous obsessive about mermaids. Since I used to be a child, I’d exit to the seashore on a full moon and lay in the ocean and pray to God to show me right into a mermaid. I’ve at all times had this sense, that mythology was tremendous vital to me as a child.
I used to be feeling actually unhappy, however I had folks round me who picked me up and launched me to a brand new method of being that made me much less unhappy. You discover as an grownup these individuals who re-parent you, and these relationships and friendships that floor you and introduce you to a brand new method of being an grownup that’s completely different. They turn into your chosen household.
So I had this type of imaginative and prescient of all of them being round me at this mermaid bar and us all being these misplaced souls who let our childhood die on this second of leaping off the Brooklyn Bridge metaphorically, and then discovering one another in the reeds and in the water and constructing this little group of misplaced mermaids. It’s a narrative music, and I’ve at all times needed to jot down one.
The single “Thérèse” was impressed by Balthus’ portray “Thérèse Dreaming.” What was it about it that moved you?
Walking by means of the Met, which I did continually as a child, I used to be at all times taken by this portray, as a result of so many of the younger ladies have been these sort of dainty, female, outdated fashioned-looking work, and she wasn’t. She was man-spreading, and had this assured place of her arms and wasn’t taking a look at the viewer. She had this unselfconscious ease to her that was actually inspiring to me, and made me really feel seen. I used to be like, “That feels prefer it appears like me.” This masculine younger woman, not this flouncy, fairy princess.
Did your connection change if you discovered about its controversy?
I used to be actually stunned once I heard about the controversy, as a result of I actually had not thought of the creator. I’d solely thought of the particular person. Of course, in the event you begin fascinated with the creator, you’re like, “Oh, wow, yeah, there was a day the place that woman was in the studio. Was she secure? Was that okay?” All these questions come into play. But this isn’t a political agenda. It’s me describing emotions that I had about artwork.
Your video for the music reveals you in an orgy in a forest, getting arrested by the cops. How did the portray bleed into the video?
Something about that triggered a sense in me about prepubescent sexuality, and curiosity that existed in daydreams in your mattress and in video games you’d play with your pals that have been essentially secure methods of exploring your sexuality. Then puberty comes and your sexuality doesn’t belong to you anymore; it belongs to the world. It turns into this weapon you possess as a younger feminine. But that wasn’t your alternative; that’s society saying you’ve acquired a gun in your pocket and you’ve acquired to guard it.
My emotional response to the portray felt linked to that. It’s about the viewer and the creator, not about the woman. I needed to make it about the woman once more, each in my very own life and in the music.
You have been topless in the video, which appeared to be one thing folks centered lots of consideration on.
I had one darkish second the place I switched the YouTube feedback from high feedback to most up-to-date and began studying actually hateful issues. I acquired so upset. Then I used to be like, “Maya, you made this as a result of individuals are upset by this type of factor and you don’t assume that they need to be. So, what? You assume everybody’s going to love it? If everybody appreciated it, then it wouldn’t have to exist in any respect.” So I put myself to sleep performing some sort of smile meditation by means of that feeling.
You wrote about moss on your earlier file, on “River Like You”: “I tame the moss on the rocks.” What does the plant signify to you?
That’s so cool that you simply seen that. Classically, a rolling stone gathers no moss, proper? I’ve at all times been confused about that metaphor. In the arts, being a rolling stone — at all times transferring, being a lone wolf — is well known. I feel my technology is completely different. We’re extra occupied with nature walks and staying alive and saving the planet than we’re in staying up until 4 a.m. on some sort of bender. The pandemic introduced everybody to that place of “Wow, I’m going to lose my thoughts except I work out find out how to take care of myself whereas sitting nonetheless.” This was a pandemic file, and I referred to as [it] Moss as a result of it felt like feelings that have been gathered whereas sitting nonetheless.
Have you seen Reality Bites? Winona Ryder is in it … along with your dad.
I haven’t. I do know Winona fairly effectively, and of course I’m a large fan of her work and of my dad’s work, however there are holes in having watched my dad and mom’ motion pictures. Some of these motion pictures really feel like such a giant deal that we’d all wish to sit down and watch them collectively, nevertheless it’s hardly ever the proper time the place everybody’s like, “Let’s get collectively and watch my motion pictures!” I hadn’t seen Pulp Fiction till a pair years in the past. I nonetheless haven’t seen one of the Kill Bill motion pictures. I’ve acquired some large holes.
The final season of Stranger Things was filmed some time in the past. What was it like to take a seat on the present’s secrets and techniques for thus lengthy?
I do know that there have been dramas about folks spoiling issues at press occasions, however nobody appears to press me very laborious on it. I’ve by no means gotten any offended calls from Netflix. Maybe it’s as a result of I’m going on talk shows and say, “I don’t know what occurs!”
Millie Bobby Brown has mentioned that the Duffer Brothers want to start out killing characters — the solid is so massive it could possibly’t even slot in a photograph. Do you agree?
Well, it’s the final season, so individuals are in all probability going to die. I’d like to die and get my hero’s second. I’d like to die with honor, as any actor would. But I really like the method that the Duffer Brothers love their actors. The cause that they write so fantastically for me and for everybody else is as a result of they fall in love with their actors and their characters, and they don’t wish to kill them. I feel that’s an exquisite high quality that they’ve, and I wouldn’t want it away.
I actually can’t have Robin die, as a result of I’ve been dreaming of a Nineties spinoff that includes her and Steve.
Where we go to New York and we’re simply partying in the golf equipment and figuring our shit out. Normally I wouldn’t actually be a proponent of a derivative, but when I acquired to do it with Joe Keery, I’d do something. He’s so humorous and fantastic and sensible, and he’s acquired nice boundaries. He’s a superb coworker, and I’d do something with him.
Are you transport Steve and Nancy?
I feel that Robin’s undoubtedly transport Steve and Nancy. I feel that Robin undoubtedly desires no matter would make Steve the happiest, which seems to actually be Nancy. I personally assume that the factor that’s so stunning about the present: it truly has by no means actually been about romance. People are at all times transport characters in that present, however actually that present’s about friendship.
There’s such an over-emphasis in media that we devour about romantic love, and it being the final vacation spot that we’re all speculated to arrive at. Find this one excellent particular person and then every little thing’s good and the story’s over. Part of me would ship it far more if the story wasn’t ending, however there’s one thing about our feminine heroes at all times getting endings — which is them discovering the proper man — that I’m tremendous over.
Like you mentioned about “Mermaid Bar” and discovering your chosen household.
I feel that’s what grownup life is de facto about: these friendships that you simply discover, and these different little bizarre sea creatures that you simply uncover in the large ocean of the world, who’ve your again and aid you develop up into the sort of grownup that you simply’re going to be and construct this community of help. I feel that the present is de facto fantastic in that method, it has all these stunning friendships. I hope that Nancy — whether or not she’s with Jonathan or Steve — will get an ending that feels rewarding in that method, too.